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		<title>By: tominwv</title>
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		<dc:creator>tominwv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrape the bat lumps off with a paint scraper, spatula or some similar device working carefully from the edges to the center taking care not to damage the finish. Use metal or plastic, whatever your skill level will allow. Make sure the edge is clean and smooth and the corners are rounded.


Once that is done the slime can be removed with mineral spirits, available anywhere paint is sold. This is non-reactive with all finished except wax and oil. If you have a poly or varnish finish on the furniture that may have provided the wood with enough protection. If it is lacquer and the bat didn't penetrate the finish into the wood clean with mineral spirits. If it marred the finish and it cant be wiped off as described, or you have a compromised lacquer finish and it penetrated to the wood, ie, colored the wood, or if it is a shellac finish the finish will have to be removed. Common paint stripper can be used and it wil deal with the organic residue since that is what most finishes are any how. I use it to degrease the crevaces around handles on my frying pans. Sure beats scraping-up the calphalon. Wood damage may be sanded out or cleansed with solvent short of cutting through the wood patina and creating a bright spot. 

Treating a chemical discoloration from the wood being soaked in bat guts will probably require bleaching. This is done with swiming pool chlorinator, oxalic acid or a combination of industrial hydrogen peroxide and sodium hydroxide in order of toxicity. The whole area, such as a drawer front or table top needs to be done, spot repairs create their own problems. After that the color needs to be reintroduced into the wood to match the rest of the piece. Then a clear finish is applied to also match.

Or you could call a professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrape the bat lumps off with a paint scraper, spatula or some similar device working carefully from the edges to the center taking care not to damage the finish. Use metal or plastic, whatever your skill level will allow. Make sure the edge is clean and smooth and the corners are rounded.</p>
<p>Once that is done the slime can be removed with mineral spirits, available anywhere paint is sold. This is non-reactive with all finished except wax and oil. If you have a poly or varnish finish on the furniture that may have provided the wood with enough protection. If it is lacquer and the bat didn&#8217;t penetrate the finish into the wood clean with mineral spirits. If it marred the finish and it cant be wiped off as described, or you have a compromised lacquer finish and it penetrated to the wood, ie, colored the wood, or if it is a shellac finish the finish will have to be removed. Common paint stripper can be used and it wil deal with the organic residue since that is what most finishes are any how. I use it to degrease the crevaces around handles on my frying pans. Sure beats scraping-up the calphalon. Wood damage may be sanded out or cleansed with solvent short of cutting through the wood patina and creating a bright spot. </p>
<p>Treating a chemical discoloration from the wood being soaked in bat guts will probably require bleaching. This is done with swiming pool chlorinator, oxalic acid or a combination of industrial hydrogen peroxide and sodium hydroxide in order of toxicity. The whole area, such as a drawer front or table top needs to be done, spot repairs create their own problems. After that the color needs to be reintroduced into the wood to match the rest of the piece. Then a clear finish is applied to also match.</p>
<p>Or you could call a professional.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the wackos from PZ's place.

You could get some maggots and put them in an upside-down jar over the area.  I believeflies are how taxidermists deal with issues of getting rid of flesh.  I don't think that flies would harm the furniture.  Otherwise a taxadermist might be able to give you an idea.

Mike Fox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the wackos from PZ&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>You could get some maggots and put them in an upside-down jar over the area.  I believeflies are how taxidermists deal with issues of getting rid of flesh.  I don&#8217;t think that flies would harm the furniture.  Otherwise a taxadermist might be able to give you an idea.</p>
<p>Mike Fox</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a ton to everyone for all the feedback!  I think we're going to hit up the local hardware stores (it's a farm community, so there are &lt;em&gt;lots&lt;/em&gt; of hardware stores) for some Goo Gone and see where that takes us.

@Monado:  I &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; the idea of using beetles or ants, but I lost Grissom's phone number and the ants are unlikely to be cooperative in Minnesota this time of year :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a ton to everyone for all the feedback!  I think we&#8217;re going to hit up the local hardware stores (it&#8217;s a farm community, so there are <em>lots</em> of hardware stores) for some Goo Gone and see where that takes us.</p>
<p>@Monado:  I <em>love</em> the idea of using beetles or ants, but I lost Grissom&#8217;s phone number and the ants are unlikely to be cooperative in Minnesota this time of year :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Monado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you lean toward the exotic, perhaps you could borrow some of those beetles that museums use to get dead animal off bone. Or perhaps you could lay it down where ants will find it?

Since glue is mostly protein, anything that removes glue might work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you lean toward the exotic, perhaps you could borrow some of those beetles that museums use to get dead animal off bone. Or perhaps you could lay it down where ants will find it?</p>
<p>Since glue is mostly protein, anything that removes glue might work.</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before trying any harsh chemicals, you should be able to remove most of the bat by soaking it with an agressive protease solution like papain (word of warning: the stuff literally smells like dog crap, but it cleans up easily).  You can purchase papain through chemical suppliers like Sigma, but it will cost you an unreasonable price for a small amount.  It is a common ingredient in meat tenderizers, but it is very dilute at that point.  You can find digestive aids in nutritional suppliment stores that use papain as an ingredient as well.  These will be more concentrated than meat tenderizers and will contain other enzymes that may help.

Your best bet would be to contact one of the major enzyme suppliers and see if you can talk them into a free sample.   They give these out regularly to prospective customers, but you might find a salesperson sympathetic to your situation that will send you one anyway.  Remember, a small amount of enzyme will go a long way.  One gram of a sufficiently concentrated sample will be enough to make a couple liters of "bat cleaner".  Just remember to give it time to soak and work.

Companies to check would be:

DSM
Enzyme Development Corp.
Genencor Intl.
Novo Nordisk
Valley Research, Inc.

I recommend trying EDC and Valley Reasearch first.  They are smaller companies than the other three and are more likely to be friendly to an odd request.

Good luck.

-OEJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before trying any harsh chemicals, you should be able to remove most of the bat by soaking it with an agressive protease solution like papain (word of warning: the stuff literally smells like dog crap, but it cleans up easily).  You can purchase papain through chemical suppliers like Sigma, but it will cost you an unreasonable price for a small amount.  It is a common ingredient in meat tenderizers, but it is very dilute at that point.  You can find digestive aids in nutritional suppliment stores that use papain as an ingredient as well.  These will be more concentrated than meat tenderizers and will contain other enzymes that may help.</p>
<p>Your best bet would be to contact one of the major enzyme suppliers and see if you can talk them into a free sample.   They give these out regularly to prospective customers, but you might find a salesperson sympathetic to your situation that will send you one anyway.  Remember, a small amount of enzyme will go a long way.  One gram of a sufficiently concentrated sample will be enough to make a couple liters of &#8220;bat cleaner&#8221;.  Just remember to give it time to soak and work.</p>
<p>Companies to check would be:</p>
<p>DSM<br />
Enzyme Development Corp.<br />
Genencor Intl.<br />
Novo Nordisk<br />
Valley Research, Inc.</p>
<p>I recommend trying EDC and Valley Reasearch first.  They are smaller companies than the other three and are more likely to be friendly to an odd request.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>-OEJ</p>
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		<title>By: Older</title>
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		<dc:creator>Older</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goo Gone is great stuff.  I'm kinda the Solvents Queen.  I collect stuff that removes stuff.  And these days Goo Gone is what I always try first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goo Gone is great stuff.  I&#8217;m kinda the Solvents Queen.  I collect stuff that removes stuff.  And these days Goo Gone is what I always try first.</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for their ideas!

My mother quite sensibly suggest that I call the fellow that made the bookcases in the first place.  He said that he used a lacquer finish, and that some lacquer thinner would probably take off the protein gunk and lacquer (which it may have soaked into).  Hopefully this wouldn't damage/alter the stain, and we can just spray some new lacquer on and call it good.  (It's the top of a high shelf, so perfection is not required.)

That said, I think we'll try one of the less destructive cleaning options first.  Oil soap seems worth a shot (and we have it in the house), and while I've never heard of Goo Gone, it sounds like something everyone with pets and teenagers ought to have in the house :-).

I did take some pictures of the bat in its deceased entirety before removing him and discovering he'd left much of his wing behind.  (I'm just not convinced there's an emoticon for that.)  They're still in the camera, though, so I'll have to try to move them to the computer later today (I'm on air &lt;a href="http://kumm.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;at the campus radio station&lt;/a&gt; at the moment).  I can also grab a shot of the current "gunky" state before we actually try anything.

Boy, there's a fine photo essay if I heard of one.  I'm guessing Pulizter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for their ideas!</p>
<p>My mother quite sensibly suggest that I call the fellow that made the bookcases in the first place.  He said that he used a lacquer finish, and that some lacquer thinner would probably take off the protein gunk and lacquer (which it may have soaked into).  Hopefully this wouldn&#8217;t damage/alter the stain, and we can just spray some new lacquer on and call it good.  (It&#8217;s the top of a high shelf, so perfection is not required.)</p>
<p>That said, I think we&#8217;ll try one of the less destructive cleaning options first.  Oil soap seems worth a shot (and we have it in the house), and while I&#8217;ve never heard of Goo Gone, it sounds like something everyone with pets and teenagers ought to have in the house :-).</p>
<p>I did take some pictures of the bat in its deceased entirety before removing him and discovering he&#8217;d left much of his wing behind.  (I&#8217;m just not convinced there&#8217;s an emoticon for that.)  They&#8217;re still in the camera, though, so I&#8217;ll have to try to move them to the computer later today (I&#8217;m on air <a href="http://kumm.org/" rel="nofollow">at the campus radio station</a> at the moment).  I can also grab a shot of the current &#8220;gunky&#8221; state before we actually try anything.</p>
<p>Boy, there&#8217;s a fine photo essay if I heard of one.  I&#8217;m guessing Pulizter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a very mild solvent/cleaner marketed under the name "Goo Gone" that we've used to clean the residue of those super cheap pricing stickers off of finished wood.  According to the label, it removes blood and tree sap too, so it might be able to handle decompsed bat.

That, a soft rag, and lots of gentle rubbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a very mild solvent/cleaner marketed under the name &#8220;Goo Gone&#8221; that we&#8217;ve used to clean the residue of those super cheap pricing stickers off of finished wood.  According to the label, it removes blood and tree sap too, so it might be able to handle decompsed bat.</p>
<p>That, a soft rag, and lots of gentle rubbing.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy a</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathy a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>visiting from p.z.'s place.  i don't know for sure if this will work, but i've used murphy's oil soap to clean all manner of gunk off of furniture and wood floors, without damaging the wood.  needless to say, i haven't tried it on dried bat wings -- merely stuff like 60+ years of "pledge" residue on grandmother's desk, petrified cat barf in a hidden corner, crayon on table, etc.  if the finish is too damaged, the results may not be perfect, but it shouldn't make things any worse, and the oil makes it possible to gently remove the junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>visiting from p.z.&#8217;s place.  i don&#8217;t know for sure if this will work, but i&#8217;ve used murphy&#8217;s oil soap to clean all manner of gunk off of furniture and wood floors, without damaging the wood.  needless to say, i haven&#8217;t tried it on dried bat wings &#8212; merely stuff like 60+ years of &#8220;pledge&#8221; residue on grandmother&#8217;s desk, petrified cat barf in a hidden corner, crayon on table, etc.  if the finish is too damaged, the results may not be perfect, but it shouldn&#8217;t make things any worse, and the oil makes it possible to gently remove the junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Aerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be a question you can ask your local morticians and coroners.  If anybody knows how to clean dead things off of other things, it's them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a question you can ask your local morticians and coroners.  If anybody knows how to clean dead things off of other things, it&#8217;s them.</p>
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