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Comments on: Chickens and eggs in energy policy https://UnhinderedByTalent.com/Phi/archives/2007/04/27/chickens-and-egss-in-energy-policy/ Not all battles are fought with a sword Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:59:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: christhamrin https://UnhinderedByTalent.com/Phi/archives/2007/04/27/chickens-and-egss-in-energy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-22720 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:59:21 +0000 http://UnhinderedByTalent.com/Phi/?p=545#comment-22720 Warning: Undefined array key "HTTP_REFERER" in /home/unhinder/www/www/Phi/wp-content/plugins/google-hilite.php on line 58

i’ll be quick about this:

how exactly are people’s choices being measured? i suspect there are big chunks of people in certain demos that have dramatically decreased the use of gas. it is hard because it is a lifestyle change. it is near impossible if you live in the suburbs or, gasp, the exhurbs (not that i feel bad for ’em!).

what i am saying is every day there are little tiny micro changes that may go unoticed, but they probably add up to something. the vagaries of gas prices are way too complicated for me, but there might also be a time lag issue because if someone stupidly bought a 12 cylinder hemi SUV they might be guzzling until they can get rid of it. in my dad’s case he splits his time between that and a motorcycle in the summer and it ends up being a wash. i always ridicule his car to make him feel guilty.

sorry i was supposed to be brief!

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By: Ben https://UnhinderedByTalent.com/Phi/archives/2007/04/27/chickens-and-egss-in-energy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-22106 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:08:14 +0000 http://UnhinderedByTalent.com/Phi/?p=545#comment-22106 Warning: Undefined array key "HTTP_REFERER" in /home/unhinder/www/www/Phi/wp-content/plugins/google-hilite.php on line 58

On the chicken or egg thing, we were in a big city recently on vacation (I’ll withhold the where so as not to seem to be just cheering that city) and we wanted to go down to this cool outdoor market. Hundreds of people go there. It’s one of the big things tourists and locals do.
So we called the market office and said “We’re about 10 blocks away, where can we park the car?” and they said “You can’t. Go home and take the bus.” But there was no bus running for another hour that day. “Guess you’ll have to wait for an hour. Or come another day. But you can’t park anywhere near here.” Really? “Really. No parking nearby except at a few meters and those are always full.”
Point being this city and this market had collectively decided there shall be no parking provided. Because no parking = less traffic. The local streets shall be permit only for people who live there and they shalll viciously ticket interlopers and thou shalt ride the bus. if you can’t park you stop wanting to drive.
So far the economy of that part of town hasn’t collapsed just because they made it “hard” for people to spend money. Even if the bus runs irregularly when you force people to use it they do. Or they just don’t go. And life goes on.
Scale back the parking gradually and you can press people to use public transport, press public transport to grow, and manage the needs of one to cope with the other.
We sneakily found a spot in a back alley to park our car, which deflates my story a bit. But had we known before we drove an hour we would have just taken the bus to begin with. As we did next time.

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