{"id":122,"date":"2005-04-14T12:06:32","date_gmt":"2005-04-14T17:06:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/04\/14\/paul-nelson-had-a-nice-time-at-umm-but-needs-a-lesson-in-the-power-of-time\/"},"modified":"2005-04-14T12:06:32","modified_gmt":"2005-04-14T17:06:32","slug":"paul-nelson-had-a-nice-time-at-umm-but-needs-a-lesson-in-the-power-of-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/04\/14\/paul-nelson-had-a-nice-time-at-umm-but-needs-a-lesson-in-the-power-of-time\/","title":{"rendered":"Paul Nelson had a nice time at UMM, but needs a lesson in the power of time"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Turns out that Paul Nelson has written on his blog about <a href=\"http:\/\/wowthisisslow.blogspot.com\/2005\/04\/id-and-links.html\">his visit to UMM<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I continue to be amazed at how damned pleasant he is about all this.  The guy looked pretty exhausted to me at the end, and while I love a good intellectual tussle as much as the next ego-laden academic, it all takes energy and motivation to tilt at windmills like this with nothing more than Proof By Insufficient Imagination as backup.<\/p>\n<p>It was also disappointing that he nicely listed many of the key concerns raised (minor issues like &#8220;How can intelligent design be tested?&#8221;) yet didn&#8217;t respond to any of them, or even provide pointers to other writings that address these questions.  Not a terribly effective way to convince what he acknowledges is a highly skeptical scientific community.  Sigh.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll take this opportunity to comment on one particular weakness which wasn&#8217;t addressed in Q&#038;A (I had my hand up, but time ran out) or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pharyngula.org\/index\/weblog\/i_love_our_students\/\">Pharyngula&#8217;s nice summary<\/a>.  Toward the end, Nelson argued that &#8220;there wasn&#8217;t anything magical about time&#8221;, and that simply having eons of it wasn&#8217;t enough to make cool and remarkable things happen.  He then wandered into a bizarre demonstration of attempting to balance a pen on its tip, arguing that he could try this for millions of years and never get it to balance.  The great thing, though, was that in doing so he totally undercut his own point, noting that eventually the tip might wear flat or the table might develop a divot, making it easier to balance.<\/p>\n<p>Sure, in deep space time doesn&#8217;t buy you a whole lot because, well, there&#8217;s not a lot happening.  (Although I&#8217;m sure that folks that know far more about deep space than I could point out lots of cool things that are happening there.)  But we&#8217;re not talking deep space.  We&#8217;re talking a <em>highly<\/em> variable environment over both large amounts of time and significant regions of space.  Given variability and competition (both of which exist in abundance), time buys you more than my small mind can possibly imagine.  Time (with variation) is <em>everything<\/em>.  Nelson needs to spend some time at the Grand Canyon (or any of a zillion other similar features) to really appreciate the power of time.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not inclined to justify Nelson&#8217;s blog with the link (which probably isn&#8217;t entirely fair, but life is complex).  I&#8217;ll happily point at one of our students <a href=\"http:\/\/wowthisisslow.blogspot.com\/2005\/04\/id-and-links.html\">who has the link<\/a>, though :-).  Not surprisingly, I discovered all this <a href=\"http:\/\/pharyngula.org\/index\/weblog\/comments\/nelson_responds\/\">via Pharyngula<\/a>.<\/p>\nNo tag for this post.\n\t<h4>Related posts<\/h4>\n\t<ul class=\"st-related-posts\">\n\t<li>No related posts.<\/li>\n\t<\/ul>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Turns out that Paul Nelson has written on his blog about his visit to UMM. I continue to be amazed at how damned pleasant he is about all this. The guy looked pretty exhausted to me at the end, and while I love a good intellectual tussle as much as the next ego-laden academic, it &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/04\/14\/paul-nelson-had-a-nice-time-at-umm-but-needs-a-lesson-in-the-power-of-time\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Paul Nelson had a nice time at UMM, but needs a lesson in the power of time&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0},"categories":[11,15],"tags":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p90sy-1Y","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":105,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/04\/06\/paul-nelson-my-new-un-poster-child\/","url_meta":{"origin":122,"position":0},"title":"Paul Nelson:  My new un-poster child","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"6 Apr 05","format":false,"excerpt":"As Pharyngula reported earlier, UMM's InterVarsity Christian Fellowship played host to Paul Nelson of the pro-intelligent design\/creationist Discovery Institute (I'm not dignifying Nelson and the DI with links - you can Google for them if you care). I have lots I could say (I have several pages of notes), and\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Events&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Events","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/events\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1846,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2013\/10\/22\/our-differences-are-our-greatest-strengths\/","url_meta":{"origin":122,"position":1},"title":"Our differences are our greatest strengths","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"22 Oct 13","format":false,"excerpt":"A group of students here at UMM have arranged for several photographers to work with members of the growing Latino community in West Central Minnesota. I was paired up with Paul Cortes, who wished to be photographed with his girlfriend Keni Zenner. 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