I can totally follow this train and see where this can lead to Bad Things. That said, however, I must say that I’ve found tools like Cucumber, Aruba, and Geb very useful in my university classes.<\/p>\n

In the simple case, tools like Cucumber and Aruba often great for writing executable specifications for class projects. This is somewhat similar to the goal of having the business team write the tests, but obviously I’m in the fortunate position of being a developer as well as the person writing the specs. It’s very nice for teaching, though, because I can specify what<\/em> I want them to do without over-specifying how<\/em> they do it. Unit tests will typically need to reflect all sorts of design decisions, and part of the point is often for them to work through the design, so it’s nice to have tests that both they and I can use to sanity check their solutions without tying us all down to a particular set of design choices.<\/p>\n

In the more complex case, our students have often found these tools to be extremely useful for their own tests, especially when they’re struggling with a new problem domain and\/or a new set of languages, tools, libraries, etc. In many ways a unit test requires the ability to envisions at least some of the structure of the solution; you have to be able to see where a unit will be. If they’re writing their first web app from scratch, using languages and libraries they’re just learning, it can be really hard to know what the first test might look like. So they tend not to write it, instead doing “spikes” to try to understand how the pieces work. These “spikes” go on and on, get bigger and bigger, and often become the project instead of being thrown away, and none of that development was supported by any sort of tests.<\/p>\n

While it can be really difficult to envision units in a totally new space, hopefully they can understand use cases and user behavior. Tools like Geb allow them to specify what the tool should do without (yet) understanding what the insides will look like.<\/p>\n

In many ways the two cases are quite similar: A.T.\/BDD lets us write tests without committing to design decisions yet. In the first I don’t want to dictate those decisions, and in the second they simply don’t yet know what those will look like yet, but either way we get to specify what is hopefully some useful and significant behavior right away without getting bogged down in those issues.<\/p>\n

In a perfect world, they’d start writing unit tests for key pieces of internal logic as the design develops, especially for units whose behavior is complex enough that it’s hard to catch all the combinations through the user interface. That doesn’t always happen, but eventually the instability of the UI often drives teams to bring some of the testing from the UI into more stable areas of the code.<\/p>\n

So, do I think every project should start with Cucumber tests? No, definitely not. But I do think they’re damn useful in certain circumstances and I’m quite glad to have them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

While there may be issues with how acceptance testing\/behavior driven development tools like Cucumber have developed and been used, I continue to find them very useful, especially in circumstances where it’s important to decouple the tests from the design of the solution.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,17],"tags":[819,818,823,821,820,822,90,824,257,156,559],"class_list":["post-1807","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-computing","category-education","tag-a-t","tag-acceptance-testing","tag-aruba","tag-bdd","tag-behavior-driven-development","tag-cucumber","tag-design","tag-geb","tag-students","tag-teaching","tag-university"],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p90sy-t9","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1012,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2009\/06\/20\/looking-for-textbook-recommendations-os-networking-sysadmin-fuzzy-logic-and-refactoring\/","url_meta":{"origin":1807,"position":0},"title":"Looking for (text)book recommendations: OS, Networking, Sysadmin; Fuzzy logic; and Refactoring","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"20 Jun 09","format":false,"excerpt":"Some deluded people believe that textbook orders for Fall Semester were due a month ago, but I'm never, ever close to on-time on these things, and am just now getting to it in a serious way. 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