{"id":527,"date":"2007-04-07T14:48:42","date_gmt":"2007-04-07T19:48:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/?p=527"},"modified":"2007-04-07T14:49:35","modified_gmt":"2007-04-07T19:49:35","slug":"about-which-the-philosophy-of-science-teaches-us-nothing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/04\/07\/about-which-the-philosophy-of-science-teaches-us-nothing\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;&#8230;about which the philosophy of science teaches us nothing&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/nicmcphee\/103784837\/\" title=\"Photo Sharing\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/farm1.static.flickr.com\/38\/103784837_fda1bffa76_m.jpg?resize=240%2C180\" width=\"240\" height=\"180\" alt=\"How science is done\" align='right' hspace='10' vspace='10' data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nI&#8217;ve been wading through tons of backed up e-mail and listening to the fine <em>Rage Against The Machine<\/em> album which <a href=\"http:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/SubEvilBoy\/\">Sub-Evil Boy<\/a> and I bought last week.  The album ended, and the next thing in iTunes happened to be a <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.guardian.co.uk\/podcasts\/2007\/03\/science_weekly_for_march_26.html\">Science on Guardian podcast<\/a> that I hadn&#8217;t gotten around to.  They open with a clip from <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.guardian.co.uk\/podcasts\/2006\/12\/science_weekly_for_december_11.html\">an earlier podcast<\/a> (which I missed at the time) with a <em>wonderful<\/em> rant from Lewis Wolpert about philosophy of science.  Their interviewer starts by suggesting that scientific methodology is very unclear, arguing that there&#8217;s a &#8220;big debate in &#8230; the philosophy of science&#8221; and suggests that they should start by examining those issues.  Wolpert <em>immediately<\/em> smacks that idea down:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nCertainly not.  No.  Please keep away from the philosophy of science.  No, no sensible scientist that I know pays the slightest attention to it. &#8230; [Science is] quite a complicated process about which the philosophy of science teaches us nothing.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My experience is the <em>vast<\/em> majority of scientists really <em>don&#8217;t<\/em> pay any attention to philosophy of science largely, I suspect, because they don&#8217;t perceive that such philosophy provides any practical advantage.  Scientists are, among many other things, highly prone to pragmatism (for better <em>and<\/em> worse), and if a particular field or idea doesn&#8217;t appear to provide clear value, then it tends to be ignored or discarded.<\/p>\n<p>After the clip they discuss Wolpert&#8217;s comments with philsopher AC Grayling, where he argues for the importance of philosophy in the sciences.  Grayling argues (and I agree) that people like Bacon and Popper have had a significant effect; I found Popper very helpful in clarifying the issues of truth and falsifiability, for example.  I think, however, one could argue that those are in fact the exceptions that prove the rule.  Scientists buy into what people like Bacon and Popper say (to the degree that they do), because Bacon and Popper say things that <em>makes sense<\/em> to them and seem consistent with their experience as scientists.  Sadly most other writing on the subject comes from people that have at best a dim understanding of what it is to <em>do<\/em> science, and thus their ideas acquire little traction.  Consequently the vast majority of scientists in the field (myself included) are largely unaware of and unaffected by whatever noise and fury is currently going on among the philosophers of science.<\/p>\n<p>While I may not agree with Grayling on this issue of philosphy of science, his subsequent comments on ID and the absurd resistance to the evidence regarding global climate change are <em>excellent<\/em> and highly recommended.  <\/p>\nNo tag for this post.\n\t<h4>Related posts<\/h4>\n\t<ul class=\"st-related-posts\">\n\t<li>No related posts.<\/li>\n\t<\/ul>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been wading through tons of backed up e-mail and listening to the fine Rage Against The Machine album which Sub-Evil Boy and I bought last week. The album ended, and the next thing in iTunes happened to be a Science on Guardian podcast that I hadn&#8217;t gotten around to. They open with a clip &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/04\/07\/about-which-the-philosophy-of-science-teaches-us-nothing\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8220;&#8230;about which the philosophy of science teaches us nothing&#8221;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p90sy-8v","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":824,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2008\/04\/01\/educations-an-investment-not-an-expense\/","url_meta":{"origin":527,"position":0},"title":"Education&#8217;s an investment, not an expense!","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"1 Apr 08","format":false,"excerpt":"Just did a pile o' dishes and listened to a SciAm podcast featuring the remarks of Robert Rosner (head of Argonne National Laboratory). The short version is that science (and, I would argue, education in general) is a matter of necessity plus vision. First, science is not a luxury, but\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Education&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Education","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/education\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":866,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2008\/08\/10\/youd-almost-think-women-were-important\/","url_meta":{"origin":527,"position":1},"title":"You&#8217;d almost think women were important","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"10 Aug 08","format":false,"excerpt":"photo credit: Unhindered by Talent In catching up on a bunch of old podcasts (I'm as behind there as I am on posting here), I ran across a very interesting Science Talk podcast from July 30 featuring \"an interview with IEEE Spectrum editor in chief, Glenn Zorpette, talks about high-tech\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Podcasts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Podcasts","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/podcasts\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":500,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/03\/02\/u-of-phoenix-advertising-on-scienceblogs\/","url_meta":{"origin":527,"position":2},"title":"U of Phoenix advertising on ScienceBlogs?!?","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"2 Mar 07","format":false,"excerpt":"So I was browsing Pharyngula when I should have been getting some lunch, and was saddened to see an ad for the University of Phoenix there next to PeeZed's lucid and fiery prose. One can make an argument (and Phoenix certainly does) that Phoenix is providing an important service to\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Education&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Education","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/education\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":690,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/11\/12\/some-must-see-tv-tomorrow-night-for-those-in-the-us\/","url_meta":{"origin":527,"position":3},"title":"Some must see TV tomorrow night (for those in the U.S.)","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"12 Nov 07","format":false,"excerpt":"As has been noted elsewhere by many (e.g., PeeZed), tomorrow night (Tuesday, 13 Nov) PBS is airing Judgement Day. This is a Nova program covering in considerable detail the ins and outs of the trial two years ago in Dover, Pennsylvania, that was, at its heart, about whether \"intelligent design\"\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Education&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Education","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/education\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":298,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2006\/01\/13\/links-for-2006-01-13\/","url_meta":{"origin":527,"position":4},"title":"links for 2006-01-13","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"13 Jan 06","format":false,"excerpt":"Extreme Programming: A Gentle Introduction. An excellent overview of the key ideas of extreme programming\/agile development. 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