{"id":529,"date":"2007-04-10T12:30:04","date_gmt":"2007-04-10T17:30:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/?p=529"},"modified":"2007-04-08T11:28:19","modified_gmt":"2007-04-08T16:28:19","slug":"can-citizendium-steal-wikipedias-thunder-or-at-least-its-writers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/04\/10\/can-citizendium-steal-wikipedias-thunder-or-at-least-its-writers\/","title":{"rendered":"Can Citizendium steal Wikipedia&#8217;s thunder (or at least its writers)?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/nicmcphee\/165714013\/\" title=\"Photo Sharing\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/farm1.static.flickr.com\/67\/165714013_42479d9131_m.jpg?resize=157%2C240\" width=\"157\" height=\"240\" alt=\"Words (almost), tumbling\" align='right' hspace='10' vspace='10' data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nA student in my <a href=\"http:\/\/scoop.morris.umn.edu\/scoop\/\">&#8220;Ethical and social implications of technology&#8221;<\/a> course pointed us to <a href=\"http:\/\/en.citizendium.org\/wiki\/Main_Page\">Citizendium<\/a>, an upstart Wikipedia alternative\/replacement.  Their goal is to solve some of the vandalism, spam, and reliability issues Wikipedia has (mildly) suffered from by moving to a model somewhere between Wikipedia&#8217;s uber-egalitarian model and the somber-expert-author model of Encyclopedia Britannica.<\/p>\n<p>There are a lot of issues here (we had a very nice discussion in class on the value, or lack thereof, of having a &#8220;real name&#8221; attached to an article), but it seems to me that the central issue for Citizendium&#8217;s growth and survival is whether they can attract good writers and editors.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I think one of the hardest things for any community-based web thing-y is attracting a large enough base of enthusiastic contributers to make it self-sustaining.  Most people really don&#8217;t have the time, energy, or enthusiasm to contribute much.  I sometimes struggle to get students to contribute to a course web site, and they have a clear vested interest!<\/p>\n<p>Drawing in the talent and energy is often a matter of being first (or at least early) and having a model that lots of people will buy into.  Wikipedia has already done that.  How, then, does Citizendium either generate a new, independent community of writers and editors, or draw away writers and editors from Wikipedia, and can they do it fast enough to reach some critical mass before people lose interest and drift away?<\/p>\n<p>I guess a key question is how unhappy the key writers and editors are on Wikipedia.  If they&#8217;re pretty disgruntled and are looking for a new home for their talents, then maybe Citizendium can draw them in.  If, on the other hand, they&#8217;re reasonably content, Citizendium has a much harder job on their hands.<\/p>\n\n\t<div class=\"st-post-tags \">\n\tTags: <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/technology\/\" title=\"technology\">technology<\/a><br \/><\/div>\n\n\n\t<h4>Related posts<\/h4>\n\t<ul class=\"st-related-posts\">\n\t<li><a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/07\/11\/your-ipod-broke-my-metaphor\/\" title=\"Your iPod broke my metaphor (11 Jul 05)\">Your iPod broke my metaphor<\/a> (0)<\/li>\n\t<li><a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2010\/04\/06\/what-should-a-new-umm-director-of-information-technology-person-do\/\" title=\"What should a new UMM Director of Information Technology person do? (6 Apr 10)\">What should a new UMM Director of Information Technology person do?<\/a> (0)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A student in my &#8220;Ethical and social implications of technology&#8221; course pointed us to Citizendium, an upstart Wikipedia alternative\/replacement. Their goal is to solve some of the vandalism, spam, and reliability issues Wikipedia has (mildly) suffered from by moving to a model somewhere between Wikipedia&#8217;s uber-egalitarian model and the somber-expert-author model of Encyclopedia Britannica. There &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/04\/10\/can-citizendium-steal-wikipedias-thunder-or-at-least-its-writers\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Can Citizendium steal Wikipedia&#8217;s thunder (or at least its writers)?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0},"categories":[4,5,7],"tags":[73],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p90sy-8x","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":205,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2005\/07\/20\/its-a-shame-more-people-cant-write-so-well-about-tech\/","url_meta":{"origin":529,"position":0},"title":"It&#8217;s a shame more people can&#8217;t write so well about tech","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"20 Jul 05","format":false,"excerpt":"WeatherGirl just handed me a recent copy of The Observer, an excellent British weekly that she subscribes to as part of her campaign (along with listening to BBC radio on-line) to both keep track of what's happening \"back home\" and to get her news from organizations that regularly provide intelligent,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Computing&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Computing","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/category\/computing\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":580,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/06\/12\/big-news-wikipedia-has-issues\/","url_meta":{"origin":529,"position":1},"title":"Big news &#8211; Wikipedia has issues!","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"12 Jun 07","format":false,"excerpt":"I recently ran across two unrelated but interesting posts about issues of bias on Wikipedia. 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