{"id":979,"date":"2009-04-05T23:37:35","date_gmt":"2009-04-06T04:37:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/?p=979"},"modified":"2009-04-05T23:37:35","modified_gmt":"2009-04-06T04:37:35","slug":"cool-discussion-of-web-20-by-thoughtworks-crew","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2009\/04\/05\/cool-discussion-of-web-20-by-thoughtworks-crew\/","title":{"rendered":"Cool discussion of Web 2.0 by ThoughtWorks crew"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I spent a lot of time on the road to &#038; from the Twin Cities in the last few weeks, so I used that chance to catch up on some old podcasts and explore some new ones.  A really nifty discovery this weekend was a panel discussion on Web 2.0 by the smart folks at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thoughtworks.com\/\">ThoughtWorks<\/a>.  The discussion is led by <a href=\"http:\/\/martinfowler.com\/\">Martin Fowler<\/a>.  Fowler goes through Tim O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s seminal <a href=\"http:\/\/www.oreillynet.com\/pub\/a\/oreilly\/tim\/news\/2005\/09\/30\/what-is-web-20.html\">&#8220;What Is Web 2.0: Design Patterns and Business Models for the Next Generation of Software&#8221;<\/a> from 5 years ago, where O&#8217;Reilly lays out what he believes to be seven defining principles of Web 2.0.  Fowler and the panel discusses each of these seven principles, looking at how they&#8217;ve held up over time.  While the panelists didn&#8217;t think that all had held up equally well, in general O&#8217;Reilly had successfully identified many of the key trends.  One might think this conversation is pretty esoteric, but I think it would be understandable and valuable to anyone looking to better understand what the web has become (and is still becoming).  Definitely recommended!<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see in what ways various organizations do and don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; these changes.  Sadly, the U in general and the Morris campus in specific, for example, aren&#8217;t generally real on top of things when it comes to modern web technology.  What&#8217;s particularly frustrating is the U&#8217;s unwillingness to work with and empower their users to help generate and manage content and value.  Big Web 2.0 successes like Google and Amazon, Twitter and Flickr are all about leveraging user generated content.  The U has its little fits in that direction (the <a href=\"http:\/\/wiki.umn.edu\/\">U of M wiki<\/a>, the <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.lib.umn.edu\/\">UThink blogs<\/a>), but they&#8217;re always peripheral to the life of the University, always in the back alleys instead of on the front page.<\/p>\n<p>The ThoughtWorks discussion runs about an hour, and they divided it up into three chunks for podcasting.  Unfortunately they haven&#8217;t released a new podcast since last July, so it appears that I&#8217;m late to the party and the party may be over.  I look forward to listening to their other podcasts, and I certainly hope that they start making new episodes sometime soon.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re interested you can find all their podcasts on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thoughtworks.com\/what-we-say\/podcasts.html\">ThoughtWorks What We Say page<\/a> through either RSS or iTunes.<\/p>\n\n\t<div class=\"st-post-tags \">\n\tTags: <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/change\/\" title=\"change\">change<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/design\/\" title=\"design\">design<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/podcast\/\" title=\"podcast\">podcast<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/software\/\" title=\"software\">software<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/technology\/\" title=\"technology\">technology<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/user-generated-content\/\" title=\"user generated content\">user generated content<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/web-20\/\" title=\"Web 2.0\">Web 2.0<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/tag\/web-technology\/\" title=\"web technology\">web technology<\/a><br \/><\/div>\n\n\n\t<h4>Related posts<\/h4>\n\t<ul class=\"st-related-posts\">\n\t<li><a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2010\/02\/13\/a-heartfelt-plug-for-a-history-of-the-world-in-100-objects\/\" title=\"A heartfelt plug for &#8220;A history of the world in 100 objects&#8221; (13 Feb 10)\">A heartfelt plug for &#8220;A history of the world in 100 objects&#8221;<\/a> (1)<\/li>\n\t<li><a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2010\/04\/06\/what-should-a-new-umm-director-of-information-technology-person-do\/\" title=\"What should a new UMM Director of Information Technology person do? 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A really nifty discovery this weekend was a panel discussion on Web 2.0 by the smart folks at &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2009\/04\/05\/cool-discussion-of-web-20-by-thoughtworks-crew\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Cool discussion of Web 2.0 by ThoughtWorks crew&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0},"categories":[4,5],"tags":[74,90,139,35,73,418,153,419],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p90sy-fN","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":740,"url":"https:\/\/UnhinderedByTalent.com\/Phi\/archives\/2007\/12\/10\/740\/","url_meta":{"origin":979,"position":0},"title":"Facebook a creepy peeping tom neighbor?","author":"Nic McPhee","date":"10 Dec 07","format":false,"excerpt":"Apparently Facebook is collecting even more information about us than we thought: A Computer Associates security researcher is sounding the alarm that Facebook's controversial Beacon online ad system goes much further than anyone has imagined in tracking people's Web activities outside the popular social networking site. 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